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Hi!, i´m new using Ardour, first of all i want to say thanks and congratulations for this software. My problem is: when i use a AU plugin in Ardour and close the project, i loose any setting of the plugin. I mean, when i open the project again i see all the plugins in the default mode. How can i save correctly every parameter of my plugins??. thank you.
my best regards.

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This is not present in the 2.7.1 release of Ardour. It has already been implemented, and in will be a forthcoming future release. Note that there are plans to require a payment of any amount for downloading this release (for OS X) by anyone other than existing subscribers. Its not clear how this will actually turn out in practice.

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Thanks for your awnser. I know that there are a lot of genius behind this great work, and everybody need to obtain something for them job. I´m a producer and recording engineer of a professional recording studios in my country. I´m actually testing Ardour in order to be sure that is one of the best options for the kind of productions that we are doing. Maybe you notice that i didnt donate anything yet, but i want to be sure about the software that i´m using.(Don´t get my wrong please). In a couple of weeks we´ll starting a new production of a rock band, i want to select a song, and produce 3 times the same song, one with Protools, second with Nuendo, and one more with Ardour using only freeware or Donationware plugins and compare the results, from the takes to the final mix in every DAW. Why I´m interested in Ardour if i have anothers platforms?. The next fall I´ll be in a conference speaking about the professional production in the new era,(you know the meaning: Small budget) and I want to share this option and demonstrate that you can make a professional production without Protools and thanks to the Ardour team. I know that the sponsor peolpe won´t looking for me more jeje, and the magazines could reject my articles because they live from the sell of production gear including software, but I believe in this tendency because I had a lot of troubles (and sometimes I´ve still a lot of troubles)to obtain good softwares with small budget, I can promote Ardour, and obtain more users and I hope more donations too. I´m thinking about your last comment: "Note that there are plans to require a payment of any amount for downloading this release (for OS X) by anyone other than existing subscribers." I hope that could be accesible for EVERYBODY because the real economic conditions in my country (Mexico) are completely inferior that in your country. Please I hope that you and your team consider it before becoming an payment software option. I want to say thank you again for this project and I hope that I can join to the team from my activity. God bless you. My best regards.

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Notice that I said payment of any amount. The idea is that you have to pay something. I don't care what - I entirely understand that income levels measured in absolute terms (e.g. US$ or the Euro or even gold) vary incredibly around the planet. However, at present, there still appear to be close to 10,000 downloads per month of the OS X version, and almost none of those downloads seems to generate revenue for me to keep working and living on. Even US$0.50 per download would be (potentially) significant for me. Older versions, or versions without AU state/preset handling will continue to be available for free.

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Yeah! you are right, I´m sorry i misundertood about the payment. Sounds very good, and when i finish the next production I´ll send to you the final mixes like a reference and perhaps I can help to increase the number of users and promote the software in order to generate revenue for you and keep you working and living on. And of course make my payment too. We´ll be in touch.
My best regards.

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I'd like to clarify before I begin that I absolutely think that you should be able to develop Ardour full time if you choose, and that given the quality of the software, more people really should be contributing a lot more than $54k/yr.

On to my gripe. I find myself feeling quite uncomfortable about Ardour for OS X being crippleware (albeit extremely cheap crippleware if you only choose to donate $0.50). It feels contrary to the spirit of the FOSS community and it also feels like it's a slippery slope to further crippling.

Are the crippled OS X features available in SVN? Could you go through the (looking at the docs, seemingly horrible) process of compiling it yourself and get the crippled features? Not that you would bother - I'd just donate some money to save myself the trouble if I wanted that feature - but it feels like it should at least be freely available with the source.

Anyway, I hope you can continue to develop Ardour for as long as you want and I hope more people get off their behinds and donate because it's great to see extremely high quality alternatives to shit like ProTools (and also inspiringly brilliant stuff like Jack - first time I used that was a revelation) available in the FOSS space. The only reason I voice this concern about Ardour being crippleware is that it would be a *tremendous* shame to see it disappear into the proprietary/commercial software world and the hole it would leave would be enormous.

I have put my money where my mouth is and made a contribution of $50 USD. I plan to contribute more if I decide to use Ardour full time (still struggling through the process of working out which firewire soundcards that I can acquire here in Australia will actually work with Linux. Ugh).

** As an aside, given that Ardour doesn't seem to have any help system or manual, would it be possible to bundle this: http://www.out-of-order.ca/tutorials/ardour/ ? It has been invaluable to me.

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Hi shabbyrobe,

it's still GPL and the source is available (source code for all platforms) , so it's not crippleware or anything. Just bad luck that OSX is such a bad environment to build things like Ardour yourself, ah, I just like linux ;)

Benjamin

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Shabbyrobe-

A new manual is in the works by the users actually. If you wish to contribute to it send me an email, username seablaede, server gmail.

In as far as your specific question, all features are in SVN, if you want to try to build it yourself feel free. Apparently very few people are known to do this, I didn't realise how few until I overheard Paul mention the number '6' at one point a couple of weeks ago. This is understandable as it isn't particular easy, and is a lot of work. But the possibility is, and so far as I am aware always will be there, to check out the source yourself and build it with all features. Just don't expect support on this process as far as I am aware;)

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Alas, I'm not well versed enough with ardour to contribute to a manual, although I certainly would be honoured to if I could. That tute is just one that I found on the web while trying to work out how to do some basic editing.

I'm very glad to hear that it's all GPL and that all features are available if you're brave enough to compile them yourself.

Thanks for the replies.

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Another pov:

hmmm, with Reaper I can try all features uncrippled until the end of time with more and better features. Garageband is free with a new Mac and can do basicly the same as Ardour, but with saving of chunks. And Ardour need a creditcard for a try... No, the "free crippled" version didn't make it, because I want to evaluate this problematic saving of chunks. I have no creditcard and never will have one. We Mac users are the milkcow of "free software"? The reason why there is not so much feedback for the OSX version is; On Mac are more then enough full featured recording solutions and Ardour is only one of them -one which remind to a proTools ten years ago. Most of the Mac user install it, evaluate it and then it is fergotten in the last corner of the HD. For the users, Reaper is freedom of choice, but Ardour is like a shrub thief. Promising freedom and professionality but without midisequencer and with need of a piece of plastic.

This is why I compile the "full featured" 2.8 for OS X (thx to scons) and share it at thepiratebay

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Hold on.
Reaper is not free.
Garage band as well, despite the "free vest" they want you belive.
Ardour is donationwise if you want to unlock the AU features. That's basically due to the OpenSource thing that is trying to merge with commercial needs (AU plugins is one of those).
If you don't want to pay for it if fine, you can download it and use it as you please with plenty of free LADSPA plugins till the end of the time.
If your need is more specific, due to the need of more "professional" plug ins please donate.
Donate.
No fixed rate.
PayPal.

We all agree Ardour is still young and has plenty of things to sort out, and we all agree Ardour is very powerful and promising, that's why all are using it at the same time.
But if you want to use everything anyway no matter what, but "cracked", I think cracking Ardour is pretty ridicolous.
You can continue using Garage band and Reaper please do it if it helps you creating your masterpieces.
Is a matter of masterpieces, not a matter of a universal DAW.

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Garageband is free with a new Mac and can do basicly the same as Ardour, but with saving of chunks

If you think Garageband does the same as Ardour plus more... you obviously aren't using Ardour fully. Garageband has its uses yes. But it is far from a replacement for Ardour.

To be honest it just seems like you are trolling at this point, so I got rid of the rest of my response to your post.

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Laney Anders: if you have done what you claim to have done, you are scum and I will hunt you down and dishonor your name across the Internet.

You pay for Reaper. GB gives you a tool that works up to a very limited point and is subsidized by your purchase of OS X (let alone the occasional iPod.) Ardour you can try out for nothing at all, with the only limitation being that your plugin settings are not saved. And because of this you attempt to cripple my SOLE SOURCE of income? If you have really done this, you are below spammers and conventional warez peddlers. You took a good faith effort to fund an open source project and attempted to cripple it. You even make erroneous claims about needing
a credit card.

You have one oppportunity right here to retract what you have said and claimed to do, within the next 24 hours, after which your name will be on the front page of ardour.org and elsewhere. I (and probably we) will hunt you down and ridicule you. I hope you are ashamed.

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@lamacchiacosta: thanks for your super-accurate summary of the situation. Very much appreciated.

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@ Anders, please be ashamed on yourself and notice that paypal doesn't need to have an creditcard...
I suggest you to use use Cubase, it has all you need.

@ferrerleon and shabbyrobe
Good to read such comments! :)

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Hehe, only a few provocative pov's and an (fake) announcement and so I will be hunted down by "free software people" Thats very interesting. The truth behind.

The freedom of software means the source is free and if compile it and share it it is only the consequence. If I don't do it, someone else do it. Make closed software if you don't like it.

I'm not ashamed for my opinions but I think it is a shame about "free software"

So that was my pov and nothing else - no reason for a trail. We are in 2009, the wild west is past.

(Edit) I have compassion with this decision "duty for donation". Maybe there is no other way for free open audio software to survive...but the pirates are out there...a strange scenario - pirates as the worst case for free software projects.

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you talk like you have to pay hundreds of dollars for Ardour. That's not the case.... no one thought about sharing it on a torrent site before I guess, cause this make no sense at all, not for anyone. Users know they can get a quality product for free or for just $1. Why downloading it from a site with the change you got some porn or viruses too? Actually most users are glad to donate some money (and that's more then $1 for most of us I can tell you) for such a great project.

we forgive you Laney, but close this case now will you.

Thanks!

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The freedom of software means the source is free and if compile it and share it it is only the consequence. If I don't do it, someone else do it. Make closed software if you don't like it.

Its certainly legal to do that. The problem is that it presupposes that all free software can be developed without a financial support system that makes it possible for a developer to actually live from their work. From my perspective, there are 3 types of free software:

  • Infrastructure projects that are useful to and supported by numerous corporations and individuals who indirectly benefit from its improvement and existence (e.g. linux itself, firefox, and many more famous FOSS projects)
  • Small projects that can be developed occasionally by one or more people
  • Mid-size projects that require real design and programming skills and many man-years of work to reach useful levels of functionality when compared with proprietary software

I consider Ardour to be in the third category. It simply isn't going to be developed at an acceptable pace without at least one person working on it as if it was a full time job. Who is going to pay for that? Its a niche piece of sofware. There is nothing except for the extreme hassle of building it on OS X to stop anyone from doing so. But instead, I prebuild binaries for people, and in exchange, they financially support the ongoing development of the software. Distributing your own binaries because you don't like having to pay for AU state handling is basically just shoving your face into my life and telling me that you want me to either work for free or to stop working on Ardour. The first one isn't going to happen anymore - I spent many, many years doing that - but the second one is always a possibility if I can't make even a modest living from it.

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paul davis wrote:
>Laney Anders: if you have done what you claim to have done, you are scum and I will hunt you down and dishonor your name across the Internet.

>You have one oppportunity right here to retract what you have said and claimed to do, within the next 24 hours, after which your name will be on the front page of ardour.org and elsewhere. I (and probably we) will hunt you down and ridicule you. I hope you are ashamed.
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sorry mr. davis, i hope this is a joke!!! otherwise, you have to be ashamed. this is a public forum.

and anyway... what is the meaning of "you are scum"? i come from europe, germany. here, most people using expressions like this, are right wing extremist or similar orientated people and only sometimes.... simple brainless people . please be careful what you say on public places.

peace

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sorry mr. davis, i hope this is a joke!!! otherwise, you have to be ashamed. this is a public forum.

While I am not him, I can say with a fair amount of certainty it is not. Not sure why you would say he has to be ashamed though, he is within his rights, just as much as it is technically legal to make another build of Ardour on OS X and distribute it.

and anyway... what is the meaning of "you are scum"? i come from europe, germany. here, most people using expressions like this, are right wing extremist or similar orientated people and only sometimes.... simple brainless people . please be careful what you say on public places.

You are scum refers to him saying that to avoid paying $1 for what is a large maount of work in setting up and building ardour on OS x, he would rather attempt to take away what is a not-insignificant source of income for the person responsible for the work. It is a response to essentially being called worthless in not so many words. It has nothing to do with being brainless, extremist, or anything of that nature.

Note that the problem isn't with the building it yourself to save the $1, it is with the purposefully distributing it to take away a source of income for the person responsible for it.

Seablade

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hello saublaede,

i talk about the meaning of "you are scum" in german: "du bist abschaum" or "du bist dreck" and a lot of similar expressions.
here, this is a not used strong defamatory expression. sorry if you don't understand this.
i don't talk about money, work, lost livetime or anything..............
and you are not mr. davis. do you know his intension?

and the most important thing:
mr, davis is the main developer and (i hope) something like a forum adminstrator. so...

if (administrator){
i hope this is not the level of contend
}
else if (administrator && level of contend)
{
Pity!
}

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i talk about the meaning of "you are scum" in german: "du bist abschaum" or "du bist dreck" and a lot of similar expressions.
here, this is a not used strong defamatory expression. sorry if you don't understand this.

It is not a nice expression in English, however it is far from the worst that could have been said. And while in German a direct translation may be much worse than in English, I honestly don't know, the point of translations sometimes is to compensate for that. I say this as someone that deals quite often with translators and translations of various phrases, and has on occasion had to go back and tell a translator they have to retranslate something because they took things more literally or direct and they don't convey the same meaning.

In other words, I understand you think it is awful as its direct translation in German, but it was said in English on an English speaking forum, so I don't think you can apply the same mindset to it.

i don't talk about money, work, lost livetime or anything..............

I didn't say you did. You asked about the phrase, I tried to explain the intent of it since a direct translation may or may not convey that intent. In order to do so I put it in the context, which involved those things. I didn't say you said any of those things however.

and you are not mr. davis. do you know his intension?

I have my guesses. The one point where I gave a response based off my impressions from talking to him, I feel I am probably pretty close to correct, especially since we have discussed exactly this topic. However I am not him and he can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, I just gave my own impressions.

if (administrator){
i hope this is not the level of contend
}
else if (administrator && level of contend)
{
Pity!
}

Not sure what you mean by contend here.

Based off your past reaction I imagine you mean to imply that as a site admin he should have better behavior? That is a personal choice, sometimes to get the point across you have to be blunt. It can be much better to be clear than to be nice in many circumstances.

Seablade

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content not contend. wrong syntax. from a no native speaker sorry!?
this is really saubloede.
brrr, and again. you are not mr. davis.

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@is the project ... : I certainly intended to make a very strong, very visceral statement. Seablade has accurately summarized my motivations. Anybody who plans to distribute their own binaries of Ardour for OS X in order to provide a short cut around the current "pay tunnel" (in which you can pay nothing for an almost perfectly useable version of Ardour, or as little as US$1 for a version that also has AU state handling) is, in my eyes, "scum". They are either willfully blind to how work on Ardour is supported, or intentionally seeking to sabotage the only thing that makes it possible. I wake up every morning and once my kids are off to school, get down to coding, design, forum interactions, IRC discussions and more. I do that for 8-9hrs a day, and often on weekends, and the only reason I can do that is because of the financial support of the user community.

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Thats what I like with Reaper: Justin doesn't duty me to pay -there is a notice on the first screen (please pay), but he didn't call me a scum or threated me to hunt me down when I don't pay or distribute reaper to other people. There is simply no need for Reaper at piratebay because the user have the choice. Many of them choose to pay because of the quality. OK it is closed software, but better truly closed full featured software then "free software with wild west hunt you down mentality".

The sound makes the music: Everybody is free to act stingy and fearful or generously and open minded. Maybe it is a better idea to devel closed software first with all features and then later free the code (Like with StarOffice/OpenOffice Netscape/Firefox).

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mr. davis,
sorry, this is really pitty. don't know what i have to thing about this. i hope you dou't know what kind of people normally use expressions like like "scum" and i "hunt you down" in one sentence. if you know this, it is maybe a good idea give bands like "oidoxie", "noie werte", "race war" a free ardour support. think their lyrics a bit similar your expressions.
they will hunt people because they are scum. !!!???

please think about this! because this is a public place, everybody can read your utterances. we live in 2009 and not dark age.

this is really no laughing matter!

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If you like the Reaper model and Reaper software (which is actually very good), then please go ahead and use Reaper. It will likely serve you very well.

I chose a different model because the size of my potential user base is currently smaller (no Windows version) and because I want Ardour to remain under the GPL so that other people (including the guys who write Reaper) can learn from our mistakes and our insights. Both the Reaper guys and myself are free to make those choices.

But just remember when you put a copy of Reaper on PirateBay (or make idle threats to do so), be sure to post about it at forums.cockos.com and see if Justin and the rest of the gang there is so happy about your attitude.

You made a direct on my livelihood. Direct. Unashamed. Blatant. Why do you think I should not be aggressively negative toward you? I've spent years (and hundreds of thousands of my own money) working on this project. Just because you have the legal right to do something, do you think you have the moral right to act like such a insensitive and arrogant idiot in the forums here?

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What would you prefer me to call someone who, because they haven't bothered to understand most of the details of how you get Ardour, and because they think that paying US$1 for work that I've put years into is just too much, decides to threaten my livelihood? A nice person? I should smile at them and congratulate them on their stunning intellectual and moral honesty?

Threatening to build your own version of Ardour for OS X because you refuse to pay anything for a version with AU state support is fine with me. Thats why the source (and even build instructions) are all available. Just don't ask me for help doing it - I did a build for you already.

But ... threatening to put your build on PirateBay as a way to spite my financial model is more than not fine with me. Its the action of scum.

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i hope you dou't know what kind of people normally use expressions like like "scum" and i "hunt you down" in one sentence. if you know this, it is maybe a good idea give bands like "oidoxie", "noie werte", "race war" a free ardour support. think their lyrics a bit similar your expressions.
they will hunt people because they are scum. !!!???

I don't know those bands you mentioned, however given the context I think you missed something important here. Paul did not say that he would hunt anyone down because they were scum. Them being scum is just a fact of life. Paul did say however he would hunt them down and ridicule them not because they were scum, but because they are willing to directly undercut a primary means of financial support. Both are true for the same reason, but they do not mean the same thing, and the final description of action is extremely important context here and should not be removed from a quote.

By the way, I post these clarifications because I am familiar with problems in direct translations not carrying over the actual meaning of a phrase or comment. It is one of the jobs I make money off of is to catch problems like that.

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Hey Laney Anders,

Why are you moaning about one damn euro or fifty cents here, wasting everybody's time?

The way I see the Ardour deal for Mac users is very simple (and fair):

1. Want to evaluate, download, use it, minus the full comfort (nothing extraordinary about this on most platforms).
2. Want to use Ardour:
a) Got time to burn: compile your own fully featured Ardour
b) You value your time: donate something, even 50 cents (and even earn a good karma point or two in the process).

Are you truly glad that your "(fake) announcement" has wasted Paul's and everybody else's time? If you are really unhappy with the new model, wish the community luck and go in peace. I am sure those wishes would be reciprocated.

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mr. davis, be sure that most people including me understand your situation. and also everybody notice that you try to find a concept to live from this project. really no problem here!
also, everybody can study the General Public License you have published ardour, so everybody know what is possible and what is not possible. also most people have a working conscience to debrief what they do.

and just so because your situation is no laughing matter, statements like this

Laney Anders: if you have done what you claim to have done, you are scum and I will hunt you down and dishonor your name across the Internet."

are really dangerous, because this is a hotbed for dangerous ideologies.
be sure this is no fiction. take a look into the nearly young history of my country.
and @seablead it is at the minimum all the same to to play down this statement. ideologies can grow on "simply" and "maybe not really bad" sounding statements like mr. davis had made. so please be careful what you try to belittle.

peace for all people who live in permanent fear through governments based on dangers inhuman ideologies.