Ardour not launching with Jaunty Studio fresh install

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I've done a fresh install of Ubuntu Studio Jaunty on hardware that ran Ardour great under 8.10. I launch Jack and then try and launch Ardour but there's no response - no errors, nothing. System monitor doesn't show anything Ardour. Any clues?

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Paul

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AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+, 3081MB, Ubuntu 9.04, M Audio Delta 1010LT, ATA Maxtor 7L300R0, ATA ST3250624A

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check that jack is running. Maybe I am wrong but some ppl complained that the usual realtime system configuration does not come by default ... (audio group, /etc/security/limits.conf, etc).
After having browsed the ubuntu multimedia production forum for a while, it is my understanding that this version of Ubuntu Studio is not a big success ... if you're after producing music and not caring about tweaking linux day in day out, you'd better go for 64 Studio. It's linux, it's debian, it's stable and it works, that is, if you don't have a fancy laptop with a fancy wifi card and other gizmos driven by MS drivers only.

You can also derive some good tips from Dave Phillips' article on the matter :

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/judgement-day-studio-dave-tests-ubuntu-studio-904

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Jack seems fine; I'm listening to Audacious through it. At least it says it's using the Jack output plugin. And Jack reports I'm running RT, no problem.

My setup is pretty basic and audio driven though I do want to attach an A3 printer and get Gimp etc running nicely with it so Ub Studio seemed the obvious choice.

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try to launch ardour from a terminal, just type:

ardour2

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OK, some useful information which rings a bell from history:

WARNING: Your system has a limit for maximum amount of locked memory!
This might cause Ardour to run out of memory before your system runs
out of memory. You can view the memory limit with 'ulimit -l', and it
is normally controlled by /etc/security/limits.conf

/usr/lib/ardour2/ardour-2.7.1: error while loading shared libraries: libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

ulimit -l gives me 2064446 - surely that's enough?!

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the problem is that ardour do not find the libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1
try to run:

sudo updatedb

first, and than:

locate libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1

or

locate libgnomecanvasmm

and see if the library is installed.

than see further....

cheers,
doc

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updatedb didn't do anything but locate found the lib;

it's in /usr/lib/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1.0.6

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updatedb updates the filesystem file DB for locate to give an up-to-date account :) It usually runs in the background, triggered by a cron job, once in a while (once a day I think). It's not vital though :)

strange ...

maybe you can do something a bit more geekish:

ldd /usr/lib/ardour2/ardour-2.7.1 | grep gnomecanvasmm

and see what it says.

And this by the way:

ls -l /usr/lib/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6*

(don't forget the * at the end so just copy paste my command line).

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All up for geekiness :)

ldd /usr/lib/ardour2/ardour-2.7.1 | grep gnomecanvasmm says:

libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1 => not found

and here's the ownership / permissions stuff:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 268444 2009-03-05 11:33 /usr/lib/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1.0.6

I'm not logged in as root btw - is that it?

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no, the problem looks like you do not have the symbolic link

/usr/lib/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1 -> /usr/lib/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1.0.6

just do this:


sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1.0.6 /usr/lib/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.so.1

and start ardour again

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There are two possibilities:

1) You've messed around with your system and broken 1 or more system packages
2) This needs to be filed as a bug with Ubuntu since the packaging of Ardour appears to be broken.

Either way, its not something directly related to Ardour, only to either your system in particular, or Ubuntu Jaunty's packaging of Ardour.

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Well, it's a fresh install save for me trying (unsuccessfully so far) to get the nvidia legacy driver going.

Having done the symlink, trying to launch Ardour now gives me:

WARNING: Could not check your glib-2.0 for mutex locking atomic operations.

Segmentation fault

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try this:


ldd /usr/lib/ardour2/ardour-2.7.1 | grep "not found"

if you find some stuff, your fresh install is flawed ...

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This is the only thing:

/usr/bin/ldd: line 117: 12848 Segmentation fault LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 LD_WARN= LD_BIND_NOW= LD_LIBRARY_VERSION=$verify_out LD_VERBOSE= "$@"

Bad?

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perhaps a lot of people will not agree with me, but all this 'ready to go' repository packaged stuff tends not to work... at least in my experience.
i would advice you to build ardour by your self from the sources you 'll find in the download section.
here in the forum, there is at least one nice description of how to do this. i think thorgal wrote this once...

cheers,
doc

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fair enough, but whilst I'm up for some Linux geekery I'd rather get audio recording stuff done and in my experience up to now packages in repos, auto updating are IMO very good things.

So, with my seg fault, do I reinstall? If that's what it needs, I'll be giving Studio 64 a shot

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Something is pretty deeply wrong with your system, certainly. Its unfortunate that most new Linux users imagine that all distributions are created equal, regardless of your actual needs or goals - even if this should be true (debatable), it certainly is not true at present. Give 64Studio a shot - I think you will find it works better for you in most ways.

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Paul, you were reading my mind.

I'm not a particularly new Linux user - have had Vector running happily on an old lappy for a few years now. I just don't spend too much time under the hood as I've other things in my life.

I've already d/l'd the live cd and it seems to run ok so far; am now installing...

since I foolishly decided to upgrade from Ubuntu Studio 8.1 to 9.04 a couple of weeks back I've had a hellish time; mostly to do with trying to recover my old work as I didn't have a separate /home partition. Well, after buying a new HD I now have separate partitions a-plenty and I've learnt how to use the partitioner - sthg that bemused me with its lack of logic before.

I'd say it's almost mandatory to have a separate /home partition if you want to recover easily from a fright like I've had.

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If the stable 64Studio looks too oldish for you, you may want to try Debian Lenny and install Pure:Dyne over it (works very good for me).

As of now Ubuntu Jaunty is only usable for audio, if you are able and willing to build the stuff that matters(including the kernel...) from source....

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AV Linux 2.0

www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html

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AV Linux 2.0 has been developed with the philosophy that the Operating System should be as resource efficient as possible to ensure that the most Memory and CPU be available to the Applications themselves

Nice principles; I might give it a go. All these distros seem to be great at running my 1010LT; my trouble is with Nvidia as their installer for my 96.x legacy driver isn't working with the latest kernels. I'll have to check first if it works with the 2.6.29 that's in AVLinux2 (I don't think it will).

It's all very well setting up a distro that'll operate on older machines but sadly it's not just about CPU, RAM and HD size.

But AV Linux can't be more right about this:

Due to Ubuntu's 6 month release schedule and the difficulties it incurs with continuity AV Linux 2.0 will now be developed using Debian which favours a longer term rolling release model that is much more sustainable for A/V Work.

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pleasebeus

AV Linux 2.0 uses the sgfxi Nvidia graphics installer, which is different than what Ubuntu uses. What Nvidia card do you have? Also bear in mind that 3D drivers for Video are not recommended for -rt Audio Recording setups. I'm not saying it doesn't work it's just generally not recommended.

If you find AV Linux too minimal hold off until next week I'm going to release an updated ISO with a choice of LXDE and XFCE and a few additions and updated applications.

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I didn't know there was an alternative installation process for nvidia drivers; I'm happy to give AVL2 a go if it'll run out of the box or you can kindly point me to the right place. I have a GeForce4 MX 440-8X and the nvidia drivers page points me to their 96.43.11 legacy driver.

I have 64Studio b3 on the machine at the moment and it's working ok, save for my inability to get dual monitors up and running - that's the only reason I want the video card running well. I don't mind a minimal interface as long as I can run dual monitors and virtual desktops.

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pleasebeus,

I can't promise you that kind of guaranteed performance especially if your Vid card issue is Kernel related. NO Linux distro out there is going to do 100% of what users want given the broad range of hardware and software needs required. As is AV Linux and it's -rt Kernel will perform as well if not better than any Linux Multimedia distro out there (Not that I'm competing with any of them). But there in no magic bullet for every circumstance... not even the mighty Ubuntu.

If you truly want Nvidia and Dual Head why not upgrade to a newer Vid card? I got a 8600GT with Dual heads last year for 55 bucks CDN, I'm sure there are much better and cheaper ones that will work with newer Kernels and current Nvidia Drivers. You have obviously spent a lot of time trying and evaluating distros with no joy, perhaps a small hardware upgrade will get you closer to where you want to be, regardless of whatever distro you settle on...

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Yeah, fair point. I didn't think dual head was a particularly big deal but yes, I could easily pick up another card. I think it's just the idea of slogging through another "does-it-work, doesn't-it-work, what-will-fit" effort that prevents me :)

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- using driver nv instead of nvidia

I would not reccomend this. Newer nvidia cards have a habit of overheating if used with the nv driver. Mine gets up to 102 degrees after an hour with the nv driver. When I run the nvidia proprietary driver it stays at 70 degrees for days on end. (Still warm but it has no fan..)

FWIW, I've been running very low latencies with rt kernels and nvidia drivers for a few years and I've never noticed any problems, provided I keep the fancy desktop effects switched off.

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DrG, in case you didn't notice elyse.thomasty is obviosly a bot or in any case a spammer; signed up today, posted to a relatively old thread and includes links to stuff that (from the link name at least) has nothing to do with linx audio.

I wonder if there could be some automatic captcha function that required a newbie to answer one regardless the first ten posts or so and then go back to the current scheme.

:D and wouldn't ya know; I got a captcha question on this post...

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A couple weeks ago Ubuntu Studio released their 9.04 version. I'm sure you've all installed and begun to configure/tweak/adjust all kinds of settings (well those of you who didn't encounter the random freezing on the RT kernel that some have). I just wanted to give a quick update on a couple new features.

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