Slightly O.T. but Interesting Article on 24bit/192khz

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GMaq
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Hi,

I came across this at Linux Musicians, very thought provoking...Let the flames begin...

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

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Ummm...

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Yeah .. very useful to create music with about 5-10 dB dynamic range and distribute this with 24bit. Actually, we don´t need the CD, we even don´t need digital technology. The music trash, which is currently delivered everywhere could easily be covert by analoge technologies. (Ofc, there are other reasons who make digital technology useful ..)

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16-bit has 5-10 dB of dynamic range as well.

What the article was talking about TRACKING with 24 is a good idea, because you can use conservative recording levels so you don't hit red, and still have plenty of dynamic range left.

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I think Erdie was being sarcastic ;)

Comment on the article: I believe that there aren't many people on this earth who are more superstitious than musicians.

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Ah, sarcasm eludes me, particularly in writing, and often in real life.

Yeah, the self proclaimed "audiophiles" are the worst with their home stereos, and their $300, 36-inch RCA cables, etc...

I am on a few of those sites because I like cool home stereo gear, too, but I end up coming off like a troll because I don't drink the "expensive cable cool-aid." (and the other kinds of cool-aid that they drink)

It's so weird to consider oneself reasonable, and have people look at me like I am a 3-headed alien, when I talk. This happens in other areas of life, too.

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Hehe

Erdie is not only sarcastic but seemingly opinionated as well..."The music trash, which is currently delivered everywhere" :-D

For the record Ricardus I think we'd agree on a lot, I buy my cabling at the local surplus store and avoid a lot of the component elitism as well...

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Hmm, Mr. Neil Young's recordings somehow got very popular when he was in his prime long ago. Despite the fact that tape and vinyl was the standard then. I like that sound, but probably because i was conditioned to. Boring songs, autotune, artists with tits and ass, but no real talent, compression and mp3 artifacts are much bigger problems in music industry in my opinion.

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I think its great to be often reminded of this... now i think my 9652 may be a little (1 Adat I/O) excessive to my studio heh

Sometimes when i find myself thinking too much about sample rate and S/Mux crap i end up remembering that a 96Khz recording wont make a crappy amp sound better, but if i get a better amp, and a slightly better mic i actually might get a better recording at 44.1 Khz

But now a couple of questions.... as i read the whole article, lets say i'm about to record a Single for a band that would likely end up doing also a video for that song, would it be WISE to record at 48Khz just to deliver a 16Bit @ 48Khz version to the client for their eventual video? or would it be just better to record on 44.1Khz and if asked for the video, do a new export @48Khz??

Does this sample rate change affect the final product at an audible level?

What i've done so far in some cases where i just record the output of an analog mixing console in a concert, is to master that audio and then export at 48Khz so the guy who is editing the video of the concert won't have to re encode with a less reliable encoder or make a very lossy version of it, other times i give 48Khz versions a little bit more room in the K-14 meter as it is for video, and for 44.1Khz versions that are for just audio purposes i might compress a little more.... what do you guys do in those situations? any advice?

This is a video with the characteristics above mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We8Y1DTRgms

Edit: By the way.... that was mastered using Mixbus 2, Invada Meter and Compressor and a couple of LinuxDSP plugins

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I d say the less conversions the better it is.
in your case if the single is a cd, better go with 44.1 all the way and then convert one time for the vid. but nowadays you might sell more mp3 s and more people watch/buy the video than buying a cd ?

http://ardour.org/node/3341

this is a good thread about all that stuff

@GMaq thanks for the article