Is Agnula Dead?

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Ishmayl
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I went to Agnula's and Demudi's site today to see if there were any updates on some bugs I've had on my Linux box, and it says the domain name is expired. I hadn't been to the site in a few weeks, has anyone been there more recently and know of any announcements that they're ceasing the project, or are they just relocating and/or re-purchasing the domain name?

niemau
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try demudi.org.

it seems to be up-ish, at least for the moment. unfortunately, it does seem that agnula.org is currently occupied by an ad-link page full crap.

i, too, have been wondering about demudi. i had been using demudi a year or two ago. unfortunately, some time ago, things started getting goofy; and, ultimately, i switched to regular debian for my music os. it's really a shame. agnula had made things so easy. i always preferred demudi over the other music-distros, such as planet ccrma, etc.

Ishmayl
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Agreed; I've used DeMuDi for the past year, and never saw anything on the site or forums about things closing down; then a few days ago, that ad-page filled with porn links was the only thing there. The demudi.org page is really not up; it looks like it's mostly cached. Any links on the page get an error, and there are no new updates or downloads available anywhere. I'm very sad about this...

niemau
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well, hopefully some sort of official statement will be made sooner or later. part of the reason i stopped using demudi was that i had lost confidence that it would continue to be actively worked on. moreover, nobody was posting any news updates to their website, etc.

b.fake
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Hi.

I've used DeMuDi for a while too, and happy with it.

Sadly, I think the project may now be dead. A lot of stuff on the 1.3 version seemed to be from 64Studio which has recently been released.

Instead I have now upgraded v 1.3 with the 64Studio kernel (32bit) and packages from debian testing. A pain to do as the kernel builds have now changed and it leaves many broken packages to fix.

But, I will wait in hope.

Cheers

daniq
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Well, if Agnula is really discontinoued, what about building our own distribution specially built for work with Ardour and Jack? I guess that could be the way...

Reuben
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There's really no need for a custom distro when there are already distro's like Gentoo. You can totally customize Gentoo to your audio needs from the very beginning. There's also a portage overlay for audio.

You get all your audio needs with the added benefit of a much larger community base to help maintain the distro.

Solv
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Second that, I use gentoo and the pro audio overlay. I have a minimal setup of things I only need for audio work, without having to have open office, evolution/thunderbird, kde etc etc...it's the way to go for a lean and stable audio workstation (of course if you use pro-audio overlay certain apps will not be stable, but this is only an option for those wanting bleeding edge updates!)

mauser
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They have just some trouble with their domain, read more here:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/msg00097.html

BenLoftis
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The main developer from DeMudi now works at 64Studio. If you liked DeMudi, you'll love 64studio. They have a 32-bit version as well, by the way.

Dominique
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It was a discussion on the agnula email list at the end of augusti-begining of november. The subject was future for agnula.

Some points of this discussion was:

As already say here, Free Ekanayaka is working now on 64 Studio.

64 Studio is as outstanding as Agnula/Demudi was, and is more up to date.

Agnula/Demudi will continue but as an user group support for debian based multimedia. The development work is done in the debian multimedia team.

It is a problem here.
Quoting Philip Nelson: "High fidelity sharing of the sound card is now a basic OS feature. Audio is *not* outside the scope of a normal desktop computer. If the debian people don't come to understand that, they will end up years behind the commercial OS's."

Quoting Tim Hall: "I agree absolutely with this point. I think Debian people do understand the need for audio on this level, what is probably less appreciated is the need to make it realtime safe. I think the real reason for Debian's slowness of uptake is the lack of people who are able and willing to take part in the work required. I think we could help change this by taking these conversations over to the Debian lists. I'm not saying don't discuss it here, of course we should, it's just that we're rather preaching to the onverted. debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org is the list to communicate with Debian developers and lobby for these sort of improvements in the multimedia realm."

I more as fully agree with it myself. The voice of the linux audio community must come into the mainstream. For that, individual participation in listes as the debian multimedia list is a must do, almost a duty. Another must do is usefull bug repports inclusive asking for new audio related functionalities and programs.

I used Demudi under a few years. I used suse with my own realtime kernel when the jacklab was not even born. I use gentoo with the audiopro overlay (http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page , it is as good as demudi for me, but gentoo based) and I use 64 studio in remplacement of Demudi from a week ago.

On all those distributions, I use or used not only audio related programs, but other softwares too: scientific programs as the gEDA and ng-spice, firefox. open-office, gnumeric, fvwm, circus-linux, celestia, k3b, amule, and more. The only stability problems I get was with shared IRQ, not with softares (at least on Demudi and gentoo (I use safe cflags on gentoo)), and they are fixed from a while now.

From my first step with a rt-kernel on demudi, I just cannot imagine to run a linux box without such a kernel and its related functionalities and programs. And yes, I preferre the realtime-lsm module over pam-rlimits because I just don't like the pam feature that kill without merci the applications using a lot of cpu.

daniq
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So what do you think is the best distro for recording and real-time fx processing? I know how stupid the question is, but please, be patient... I am a newbie to Unix-based OS and to Ardour too....

Solv
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daniq, this question gets asked all the time, if you search through the mailing lists you will probably find some really good discussions. In short though the answer to your question is that there is no ONE distro that is best for recording and real time fx. You need to take the time to discover which one you like best, and has all the requirements you need (such as a realtime kernel). As a beginner you will probably find something like planetccrma or 64studio the easiest. However I use gentoo and I can't go back to anything else since, but gentoo took me a long time to get comfortable with even after using linux for 18 months. Go the www.linux-sound.org and check out the list of distributions to find out the ones that are around.
Nice to see another person looking to use linux for audio, it is well worth the effort...don't give up when you get frustrated...
power to the people!

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Interesting arguments.... It's all down to personal preference but for a newbie or agnula/demudi/debian centric person I think Studio 64 is a very good option (extremely easy to install, configures alsa nicely).

Personally though, I found Studio64 a bit limiting once you wanted to stray outside fo the distro.... I couldn't get MusE to install from apt - as for the available version it required going backwards on some libraries which consequently broke alot of other packages.

I use Gentoo and I disagree with Solv, and found it quite easy to get used to (like I said personal opinion). The model for configuring services is nice and uniform and easy to follow. (config files in /etc/conf.d). I also find Gentoo more flexible in that you don't have to commit to a development, testing or stable build and can base everything on the stable packages and introduce development (hard masked) or testing packages (architecture masked e.g. ~x86, ~amd64). There are also many ebuilds for patched kernels. (beyond, no-sources and rt-source (molnar patches to gentoo-sources).

Most importantly for audio usage it is a ground up distribution so you add packages that you need and don't end up with a large amount of packages and more-importantly services that aren't necessary. It is also designed with optimisation in mind so not just your audio packages are optimised but the whole system. Most apps that don't have an ebuild compile easily as the libraries tend to be fairly up-to-date. Ebuilds look easy to make as well (although I am about to embark on my first attempt) and definitely easy to edit. THis means packages not on the gentoo tree may already have an ebuild available (check gentoo-bugs and gentoo-forums)

Ultimately, this is down to a personal preference so it's best to read around, and if you can afford the space, keep a partition spare for testing other distros.

cheers

Allan

daniq
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Hey, guys, thanks a lot... Hope I won´t give it up after a few hours... And as they say: the best way to learn how to swim is to jump into the water ;-) so Gentoo is on the line.... We´ll see. All I am saying is "I´ll give him a chance" ;-D

Dominique
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As new gentoo user, you have to go through the handbook (and you will continue to use it as reference later, as example during an upgrade). Don't hesitate to ask for help or advice on the gentoo forum (but please do a search first). Another good place is the pro-audio overlay mailing list.

To get a fast, stable and reliable gentoo system, the most important setting is the compilation flags in /etc/make.conf: just use the ones in the handbook and you will be fine.

For programs needing further optimizations, this is done in the ebuild or the source code, so just don't worry about it. And don't trust peoples telling you to use Cflags as "-break_my_gentoo" or whatever, because profiling is needed in order to determinate if those flags will work or break things, and that for each single packages (as well as after each gcc upgrade).